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The Truth About Big Cat Rescue and Carole Baskin
Big Cat Rescue: the Movie from Joe Schreibvogel
The letter below was put out by Big Cat Rescue (Carole Lewis Baskin) as a reason to cover the truth.
To understand why Joe Schreibvogel of G.W. Exotics is making false accusations about Big Cat Rescue (BCR) and Carole Baskin visit Joe Schreibvogel of G.W. Exotics
He posted a amateurish video that is making the rounds with people who think it is their "right" to own any kind of wild animal they want. Below I will go thought point by point to illustrate what he is doing to mislead the public.
No, Joe claims that according to USDA law the cage must be 3 feet away from the fence that the public has access to with no employee attending. And it is not, it is right up against the fence.
What the camera shows is a 8 foot high privacy fence. On the outside of the privacy fence you can see the top of a nearby 12 foot high cage that is huge and full of trees, bushes, grass and space for a declawed bobcat. There are vines draped over the wall, giving shade and beauty to the cage and those also drape over the 8 foot high barricade of the privacy fence.
The barricade fence is still not 3 feet away from the cage and this is a USDA violation.
Joe snidely says into the camera that he is going to harass our tour guide by asking to pet the cat and laughs.
Ummm. Yes it would have been funny to see what story she would have told us.
He posts a screen calling one of our lovely cat caregivers a "walking poop pole." This woman is a retired professional from the travel industry who has achieved her Green shirt in our Admin program (our highest level) and who has done amazing things to get travel and sales items donated to our Fur Ball each year. She wanted to also learn the Keeper side of things and so she is wearing our entry level Red shirt as she is cleaning the cages this day.
Joe is trying to get the general public to understand that if it does not get cleaned by just that poop pole the entire cage does not ever get cleaned. Which is a USDA violation. And as you see on the video the staff explain that.
By his fourth overlay, Joe shows that he is illiterate and cannot even spell leopard, when he says what a sad life Jumanji has. I actually agree that it is very sad that any of these cats are in cages and Big Cat Rescue is doing all we can to end the trade. To read about Jumanji's story click here.
Typo's, doing things in a hurry, working with volunteer web people. When you don't have millions to work with like Carole Baskin from her husband being missing, you do what you can because all the money gets spent on Joe's animals instead of professional computer people.
The cats all have water proof dens. The sticks are forts that our volunteers have made from the trees we trim and the trees that are donated at Christmas time, in addition to their regular dens. The cats love the new smell, something they can explore and spray. We change them out when needed and are not adding any man made materials to landfills.
The tour guide is a Red shirt level, meaning she is new, and she is explaining that Big Cat Rescue is accredited because we are a true sanctuary. To deflect from that, Joe makes fun of her stage fright by posting Ummmm! over her words. Then he challenges by whom we are accredited, insinuating that I am the accrediting body, but I am not affiliated with the Global Federation of Animal Sanctuaries in any way, other than in the capacity of being accredited by them. You can check their list of accredited sanctuaries and see that neither Joe nor any of the people who post negative comments about Big Cat Rescue are accredited. http://www.sanctuaryfederation.org/gfas/gfas-sanctuaries/ By contrast Joe has made up his own officious sounding website whereby he grants himself accreditation because no legitimate agency would.
They might be water proof, but the animals are forced to live in them below ground level. Doe's it take a expert to see that on the video and when it rains the water runs in the houses.
To see our other affiliations and how we are an asset to the community visit: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/what_we_do.htm
No, Joe says he was horrified to know that this chick told all these people that they kill bunnies and drain their blood.
The tour guide explains that we tried to adopt the rescued bobcats and lynx out into pet homes. We have always been truthful about the mistakes we made in the early years on our web site, in our training of tour guides and she is illustrating that beautifully here. Instead of Joe being able to see that all of his accusations to the contrary have been wrong, he posts "What? Exotic's (sp) as pets? Shame on you…"
The tour guide failed to say most died in Carole care because she did not know how to care for them. And the tour guide went on to say that Carole had an agreement with every fur farm never to use them as fur again. We all know thats not true!
Nothing was about shifting focus it was the best shot on the video to show how many tours were being given at once to make as much as you can. $$ But yet not be exploiting animals for exhibit?
We do not claim to be "not open to the public". What we often say is we are not open to the public like a zoo, where you can just walk around unescorted. All of our tours are guided and have a back up who makes sure everyone obeys the rules, like no annoying the cats or reaching over barricades and stays with the guide. You can see in the group of about a dozen coming in that they are being led by a Green shirt guide.
The truth is, it does not matter what you say to cover it up. It is still making money off the animals just like everyone else. What does what color of shirt does it matter?
When the guide says that Jumanji was a pet and had been walked on a leash, Joe posts "YA! Carole Baskin did". This is where our detractors try very hard to make something of nothing and they do it successfully to the lazy because the answer can't be given in a sound bite, and most people aren't willing to spend a lot of time really thinking something through. If you want to believe something bad about a person, then there isn't anything anyone can say to change your mind, but if you are open and want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, here it is:
Carole, we have receipts where you bought this cat and your the one that had him as a pet and walked him on a leash.
We have always been open and honest about where our cats come from, our early mistakes, the lessons we learned and why we believe now that there is no excuse for breeding cats for life in cages. All of that history and evolution of thought is posted here: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/historyandevolution.htm
Good for you. Since we have been exposing all your lies, you have changed your website. Now post the receipts and get your guides to tell the truth. You also being paid to care for the Ringling Tigers. That needs to be said on a tour, not just they came from a circus life and the poor people on the tour need to donate for their care. THEY ARE BEING PAID TO CARE FOR THESE CATS. THE WERE NOT RESCUED FROM A CIRCUS.
How we started is posted here: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/how_we_started.htm
Where we have had difficulty in finding the perfect balance of offering information and yet making clear that we have grown in our understanding of the issues is in how we present information that is factual without condoning practices, such as breeding, selling and trading exotic cats. Our web site gets 1.6 million visitors each year. Since 1992 we have rescued 223 exotic animals plus 28 were born here between 1993 and 1997 when Don left. None of the births were lions or tigers. Only six of the sanctuary's existing 126 animals were born here after 1997 as some were already pregnant and I was separating and neutering animals as quickly as I could afford.
Those 6 include 2 Binturongs, 2 Amur Leopard Cats, a bobcat, and a serval. Except for one Leopard Cat who was born to parents that were in their late teens and thought beyond breeding age, all of them were born prior to 2001. The births of the Binturongs was the most troubling to me until I learned that the are delayed ovulators meaning they can get pregnant now and decide any time later when to actually have the baby. That's why we only rescue cats. I don't think it is fair to the animals to take on species that you don't know everything about.
To say that in the year 2010, a decade later, we are "still breeding" is nonsense. In the overall numbers it is fair to say that less than 16% of the cats we have had were born here.
On each of the cats who was born here we used to state that on their online bios, their cage signs and in our Safari Guide which could be purchased online and in our gift shop. What we discovered is that people would comment that it must be OK to breed exotic cats in captivity because Big Cat Rescue (or Wildlife on Easy Street as we were called then) was such a good place that surely they wouldn't have done it unless it really did serve some conservation effort.
Except someone killing and hiding Don's body so they could collect millions and change their name.
So, the next thing we tried was stating online, their cage signs and in the Safari Guide a paragraph that talked about how even though that cat had been born here, we had learned that it was abusive to the animals and that we had quit breeding and were trying to change the laws to ban breeding outside of the Species Survival Plans administered by AZA zoos. The problem with that is that we still kept hearing that people weren't reading the whole thing and were missing the important point, which is that big cats should not be bred for lives of deprivation and confinement.
Never one time in a two hour tour did we get told anything was born there. And might I remind you Carole Baskin was not on our tour and Joe was so she has no clue what was said.
On the cage signs there is only a line of text for each, so we couldn't spell it all out. Our new guides use those cage signs as a way to remind themselves of what the message is that they want to share about the cats. Even though some of the cats' signs that said "pet trade" were pets who were born here we have always used that as just a launch point to talk about why it is so bad to breed and trade in wild cats as pets. Our detractors try to make it look like we are not being honest by indicating the animal was part of the pet trade because they can take that out of context. What I find truly absurd is that most of the people who are complaining that some of our cats were born here a decade ago are the ones breeding, buying, exploiting and trading in tigers and other big cats right now.
Where we are in 2010 in trying to make sure the information we provide is accurate and yet not subject to being misunderstood as condoning practices we have learned to be abusive, is that online and in our Safari Guide we don't always address where the cats born here originated, other than in the pages linked above or where we give a full disclosure of our history and evolution. Instead we talk about what is most interesting or important about the plight of that animal in the wild and in captivity.
Still breeding and selling in 2001
In our tours we don't go cage to cage saying "this cat was born here" in every applicable case, because that isn't the most important part of the message that we need to convey. Your so right there, your conveying a message your an angel when your so not telling the whole truth. so that people understand there is no reason for people to be buying, breeding, exploiting or trading in exotic cats or their hybrids. We only have an hour and a half of their time and we make the most of it to educate them about why we need bans on the private possession of dangerous wild animals. The ban should be to ban you from getting rich off of exploiting the animals and your staff. We openly admit our mistakes but the tour is not meant to be an hour and a half of every stupid thing we did or thought about 15+ years ago. It is about what can be done to protect cats now.
The main problem is you were part of the problem of breeding just a mear 9 years ago. And when we prove your still buying and selling and paying for rescues to get on tv such as the hanna email, we will uncover that as well.
We often do tell about a cat being born here as part of our background to the tour group to explain how we have learned from our mistakes. When asked outright about a cats' origins we always tell the truth, if we know it. I qualified that, with "if we know it" because our tour guides are well trained but they have to keep 100+ cats' stories straight and they may not remember if that pet was a pet born here or a pet rescued elsewhere. Than educate your staff before sending them out to get you rich. Thats what we all do. But it makes for a better story to get the heart strings of sponsors when the staff forgets the cat their showing was born at BCR. Our tour guides use the Safari Guide to get their tour facts from and in some cases, since as mentioned before, it has caused people to think we support practices we do not, they may not know for sure which cats were born here. http://www.bigcatrescue.org/bigcats.htm They are always welcome to ask for clarification and we do ongoing tour guide training sessions. We are always open and honest with our staff, volunteers, guests and supporters.
Back to Joe's pathetic video. You may need motion sickness medicine to get through the whole thing.
Now lets talk accrdited sanctuary for a min. What is this? Not a goverment seal of approval, no not at all. There is no goverment that approves and accredits a sanctuary. But oh wait, yes there is. FLORIDA and Carole Baskin of Big Cat Rescue got turned down. Because she is open to the public. Now the place where she is accredited is just a private group of people that collected a fee from Carole to say she was accredited. No let's talk pimp. Carole pimps her cats just a different way than Joe does. It's called free enterprise and the goverment sells a license to do so.
Cant even figure out what this means. Carole is pushing laws to ban cats as pets and public contact which is blaming the cat for being a cat and making thousands more homless when more people die setting in a folding chair than by an exotic cat.
BS. if you look at every photo the cats are below ground level. And if you look at the photo she ilustrates here if it were to rain more than one inch the water would run right in the door of the house due to the dirt being piled up making a funnel into the house.
The guide says the cages are built 6 to 8 feet into the ground, but she knows better and obviously meant to say 6 to 8 inches. Still a lie even if she was wrong, she passed on a bad message to the public that they go over and beyond to be safe. Back to training people before turning them loose to fraud the public. Joe accuses her of smoking something illegal rather than asking her to verify what she meant to say. As she explains our safety protocols Joe again tries to detract from the message by accusing her of smoking crack. As he pans over all of the lush landscaping that is inside our cats' cages for them to enjoy, he makes snide remarks about rust and weeds. We have a rigid reporting protocol for making sure our cages stay in good repair. Light surface rust is inevitable in Florida, but before it ever reaches a serious stage we paint the wire with Rustoleum. That paint is rust colored, but you can tell, if you look closely, as our inspectors do, that the cages are properly sealed and maintained.
Hog rings and wire rapped in a circle so you don't have to spend your millions on making a cage sturdy does not make it structurally sound or in good repair.
Well now Joe has over 100 cats and his poop and drag meat and bones inside the middle of the cage. You must clean the entire cage according to USDA law. But as I forgot most of Carole's cages can be reached completely across from being to small with that poop pole.
No, our tour guide was trying to make us belive that tiger was in the very back of that cage. And why do you need to use the one at Turpentine Creeks photo anyway. According to your expert opinion almost all white cats are deformed from in breeding so why don't you rescue one of your own? If there are so many out there?
It's just as easy to get your 20 guides to get their butt's in the cage and rake it everyday. Oh, you dont have proper shift cages or entry doors to every cage. Sorry.
We are asking do they ever get cleaned out. According to you in this story by coming up with excusses to why you dont need to clean your cage, I would say no you don't. So how and when do they ever get sanatized?
Really, have you ever laid on Pine needles your whole life. It must hurt and can injure the cats eyes and mouth.
No, the zoom in was to show you the leaves, poop and how the sides and entry door is below ground level and standing water.
Are we talking about the same lake with cars, batteries, you have dumped in it at one time, and the sewage from the shopping center parking lot next door, and the sewage from your cabins running into it. Yes thats the same lake pumping nasty water into your cat cages.
Ok, Folks it is time for me to go to bed. I will finish this tomarrow so you can get a good laugh out of how Carole always wants to blame everyone, including her staff except her self. I can't spell, I can't write professional but I know a good blow job when I get one and the whole world is getting a pretty bad one from Carole with this story.
Now lets get to what she never answers. How about that polygraph test Carole. Let's take on together. Now that should show the world who is full of it and who aint. And why not take me up on my offer and come work for a real animal park and see what professionals do. Because your not here for the animals are you. Until you can accept a public challange to clear your name. Our readers know your full of crap.
First of all the cat is very thin. Joe was in the area of this cat (since you can see them all from one area) for nearly 40 min, and this Tiger never one time stopped paceing. Which is a USDA violation, if an animal is stressed being on exhibit. And as you can clearly see by the picture that it is a small round cage, with a Leopard on the other end. So that cage can not possibly be very large.
But what Carole does not mention is the comment about how high the water got in that tigers cage for the red ball to have a dirt and water line on it nearly half way up the ball. Does this tell you that the animal was standing in water not to long ago? And does this tell you that the cat is so stressed out it does not play with its toys? Every question that was asked if you listen to the video very close, the guide could not give a straight answer. And by this point I was so tired of hearing lies and seeing this pit hole the only question I had left is where is Don's body?
Than train your staff. She was very sure of her self when she was frauding the public on this tour that 38 cats died. Just to make them feel sorry for the living ones and leave more money...................What about the tooth that still needs fixed? According to your staff guide the cat has been there over a year now. How long does it take to get strong enough to have it's teeth fixed?
And because your cats needs come first is why the tigers teeth are still to this day not fixed?
I don't even know how to respond to this one. Jealous of what? Telling so many lies that it takes full time computer nerds to keep how many websites up covering the truth and bashing others? As you can tell by the way Joe is walking I am sick of seeing trash, nasty wire round cages that are all winded in and out of trees keeping them from tipping over, green water bowls, half ass lock out cages, hearing dead bunny stories, hearing how other little animals get killed coming into the park, hearing this chick say UMMMMMM. Seeing that the poop poles are everywhere without the cages being completly cleaned, hearing how you train these people to lie for you to profit over 1 million dollars and make your animals live in such crap. Yes I must be jealous.
NO!!! your dead and missing husband has invested millions of dollars because that is where the money came from. Now it has came to light that your husband that you have on a leash is not so happy either? Does he need a protection order as well. Maybe he should move to Joe's so he will be safe.
The correct departments have been called to check on this so called beautiful lake. Swamp water is what it is. Or are we not talking about Florida? Joe and John walked the property from the shopping center side and it is nothing but swamp from the parking lot pavment to BCR.
There were two other guest there doing the same thing we were at the time. They too were taking pictures of the nasty cages, large crowds, and green drinking water and by this time everyone was so disapointed that one lady even left the group early to leave.
Lets again ask Carole to volunteer to take a polygraph test and see if she has any clue where Don's body is. That is going to tell the whole story here. But she seems to never respond to this request. And if she ever did, we demand a drug test prior to the polygraph test.
Wrong. This cats hip bones were showing and his eyes were full of muck.
Just because he got caught and you have not, does not make you a Saint..... And with the lies you have been forced to come up with answers for and cover up, why would anyone belive you now?
Really. Don't forget Joe works with over 100 tigers and lions of his own. Not a park full of bobcats and other small cats that don't cost much to feed. Joe has put his cats on a scale and 700 pounds is telling a pretty big fish story. Most cats in zoos rarley break 450 to 500 pounds, Expecially one that was brought in so sick and poor that he could not walk. Oh but wait that was the same cat that was on TV, standing on his hind legs and playing. RIGHT?
Answered above, VERY TRUE
Now here is the real question. Carole you are still raising money on bought cats? Do you not think this makes you a pimp? Also Kathy Stearns had a cat die, what about the 20 cat pelts you were trying to get tanned. Kathy burried hers whole, you chop yours up and make pelts out of their dead bodies. In fact your so obsessed with wearing animals that all of your clothes in nearly every picture you see along with your house is animal print. What a shame. Can we skin you when you die and lay you on the floor under Joe's coffee table so he can spill coffee on your back?
Joe got on line and went to the press, and the FDA to let people know the KMR (the milk replacer that is sold world wide) was bad. Test were done at OSU to prove this. Joe also found that animals were being killed by this milk all the way to Africa. So don't make it sound like Joe is being investigated for killing cubs. The USDA did an investigation just like they are suppose to to help others keep this from happening. Now lets see why Carole is now no longer to pay off an inspector to get perfect reports. And why she until now has never admitted she has ever been in violation. Because until now she has never been force to admit anything. She changed her name to hide that fact. And low and behold she has been in violation again this year.
Carole, our question is why do you have 25 registerd non profits among you and your family if your not making money or laundering it? People just don't have that many non profits if your not making money. Come on.......
You must have never been to Joe's as his cats are in nice large cages and his park is spottless and beautiful. All you have to do is go to his website and see the 360 video that was put online just for this reason.
He makes one last nasty comment that his viewers should help the tour guide get into rehab. She is a kind and gentle person who has done her best to make this a great tour for all of her guests, but has had to deal with this crackpot and his little band of miscreants the whole time. She could have radioed for us to come remove them at any time but she apparently thought that she might be able to reach through to them if she kept trying.
We were expecting to be thrown out at any time for asking the wrong questions. But the whole group of people we were with was about to choke this chick if she said UMMMM one more time.
At the end of his tour he came up to her and accused her of lying and said he was coming back with a helicopter. He did and he circled the sanctuary, flying way too low for the comfort of our cats. I don't know if he was deliberately trying to spook the cats into injuring themselves, or just showing off that he could rent a helicopter at $800.00 an hour.
Now thats just goes to show how someone can quote prices without getting prices. The whole helicopter trip cost $400.00 and the flight plan was approved by the FAA not Joe. And we as by the picture were more than 900 feet above her pit hole of hell.
This is a way to get you to what? Not look at the email we retreived of her doing this very same thing. Blackmailing a lady to do what she wants or she will ruin her on the internet.
Wake up Carole, go to www.911animalabuse.org and see your very own emails sent back and fourth by you doing this.
And that is what? the violation you have been cited for just this year. That in not compliance, that is non-compliance. The USDA writes you up and you call it ok. I don't think I can go on much more.
In tiny little cages hog ringed to the main cage that they have to stick their heads threw holes with sharp wire to drink. Now is a Tiger going to do that or drink out of a large green pool? Think not!
According to your very own staff on video, they admit to never going inside and cleaning anything that the poop pole does not reach.
No, Joe just wants you to get your staff inside the cage and clean the house out along with the entire cage just like everyone else has to according to USDA law.
Comfort? There is not one air vent in this trailer. And I do belive we have emails showing that one of your staff takes animals out into the public for reasons to get into young girls pants. And you answered in that same email you approve and think he does a good job but show little concern about child porn. This is also on www.911animalabuse.org
First of all this picture was stolen by Carole without permission. Next, she now says 1000 feet above, just a few lies ago she said we were so close we were trying to scare the cats. This just goes to show any idiot can see her story changes from lie to lie depending on what she needs you to hear and what fits her next agenda. If you think we went through all this trouble do you not think we had equipment to zoom in and look at the whole place?
You were not even there, we asked for you and they said and I quote (Carole does not spend much time here as she is busy attending meeting and functions) Yes attending meetings and functions getting in everyone elses business instead of tending to her own, training her staff, cleaning cages, etc. And no there were no other cages except one by the barn that was painted like a tiger. And that cage was small and round as well.
Nope not the story. We only put on one disk because the internet would not host a video that long.
Joe's real agenda shows up in his last shot where he tries to look important, sitting in a helicopter, and stating that his goal is to protect his and others "right" to own exotic animals.
You won't get inside Joe's place or his friend's places with a camera and there is a reason for that. Most of these places won't even let you inside, because if you saw what really happens to those cute little cubs when they can no longer be used for pay to play schemes, you wouldn't support the industry. If you have any further questions or concerns, you can always email me at MakeADifference@BigCatRescue.org or come see for yourself. Big Cat Rescue 12802 Easy Street Tampa, FL 33625 Tour Times
Joe's place welcomes camera's because Joe has nothing to hide. Search GW Exotic on youtube and there are many movies customers put up. We wonder why does Carole never put up a link to her stories, website, or anything else welcoming comments? Joe does.
Last request to Carole. Lets have a live town hall debate. Face to Face with all the news there and lets settle all this once and for all out in public where there is no where to hide behind a computer and the internet to lie about anything. Do we have a deal. Hell no you don't have the guts..........
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